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03/25/2011 01:00 PM House RESOURCES


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               HB 106-COASTAL MANAGEMENT PROGRAM                                                                            
1:07:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE announced  that the first order  business is HOUSE                                                               
BILL  NO. 106,  "An Act  extending  the termination  date of  the                                                               
Alaska coastal management program  and relating to the extension;                                                               
relating  to  the review  of  activities  of the  Alaska  coastal                                                               
management program;  providing for an effective  date by amending                                                               
the effective  date of sec. 22,  ch. 31, SLA 2005;  and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[The motion  to adopt the  proposed committee  substitute labeled                                                               
27-GH1965\B,  Bullock/Bullard, 3/16/11,  at  the  March 16,  2011                                                               
hearing was left pending due to an objection.]                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:08:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDWARD  ITTA, Mayor,  North Slope  Borough, paraphrased  from the                                                               
following written  testimony [original punctuation  provided with                                                               
minor formatting changes]:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         Thank you, Mister Chairman. I appreciate this                                                                          
     chance to  speak with the  committee today. Let  me get                                                                    
     right to the  point. I'm in favor of the  work draft of                                                                    
     the committee  substitute for HB 106,  because it makes                                                                    
     substantive  and   logical  changes  to   the  existing                                                                    
     program, which is really no program at all.                                                                                
         The federal law on coastal management allows a                                                                         
     voice  for  Alaskans  in the  permitting  process  when                                                                    
     federal   lands   or    waters   are   considered   for                                                                    
     development. The  State thinks the law  is working just                                                                    
     fine.  But   when  it  comes   to  the   Arctic  [Outer                                                                    
     Continental  Shelf] OCS,  the  State  has been  notably                                                                    
     absent  from  the  discussion  of   a  whole  range  of                                                                    
     primarily  federal  issues  that  are  important  State                                                                    
     concerns-including   endangered   species   rulemaking,                                                                    
     development  of  a  National Ocean  Policy,  and  ocean                                                                    
     discharge limits.                                                                                                          
         Instead of being engaged, the State simply submits                                                                     
     generic   written    comments   saying    it   supports                                                                    
     development,  and  then  it litigates.  That  certainly                                                                    
     doesn't  address  issues  of concern  to  the  affected                                                                    
     local communities. From  the local perspective, coastal                                                                    
     management  as  it is  now  practiced  in Alaska  is  a                                                                    
     hollow  program. It's  ineffective  because it  ignores                                                                    
     community input.                                                                                                           
         Alaskans agree that people who are closest to the                                                                      
     action have unique  concerns and deserve a  voice and a                                                                    
     chance to contribute  their local expertise, especially                                                                    
     when  it comes  to  projects in  their  own back  yard.                                                                    
     Hasn't  the State  been aggressively  making that  same                                                                    
     point  with  respect  to   recent  federal  actions  in                                                                    
     Alaska?                                                                                                                    
         Alaskans also care about preserving our unique                                                                         
     subsistence cultures. And for  communities in the North                                                                    
     Slope  and Northwest  Arctic regions,  nothing is  more                                                                    
     critical. That being said, we  also recognize that jobs                                                                    
     and economic  progress are essential to  our quality of                                                                    
     life  and  to  the   preservation  of  our  subsistence                                                                    
     culture. We  depend on  a strong  oil and  gas industry                                                                    
     and state  economy as much  as anyone else. We  are not                                                                    
     in any way "anti-development".                                                                                             
         Several coastal zone proposals have been placed on                                                                     
     the  table, and  I've asked  the Administration  to sit                                                                    
     with  us  and  go  through them  point  by  point.  The                                                                    
     Borough's position  has been  that there is  nothing in                                                                    
     these proposals that cannot be modified.                                                                                   
         But the State has thus far declined to discuss any                                                                     
     significant  changes in  the  program.  We'll meet  and                                                                    
     they'll  hear  us out,  but  they  have not  budged  on                                                                    
     anything. Their  energy goes  into explaining  how well                                                                    
     the program  works for the  State. This opens  the door                                                                    
     for industry to argue  that local involvement will kill                                                                    
     development. If  that's the case,  then how  come we've                                                                    
     had so much  development on the North Slope  and at Red                                                                    
     Dog?  Until  2003,  those developments  were  permitted                                                                    
     through a  coastal zone program that  was much stronger                                                                    
     than anything recently proposed.                                                                                           
         Many who have commented on this bill say that six                                                                      
     more years  of deliberation  are necessary  to identify                                                                    
     appropriate   changes  that   would  address   district                                                                    
     concerns. I  can't tell  you how  frustrating it  is to                                                                    
     hear that.  We and  other districts have  already spent                                                                    
     huge amounts of time and  money on that effort over the                                                                    
     past eight  years. There  have been  endless workshops,                                                                    
     stakeholder  meetings, program  re-evaluation meetings,                                                                    
     a federal  review of the program,  a legislative audit,                                                                    
     and  plenty  of  hearings  in Juneau.  At  this  point,                                                                    
     delaying  action is  no action.  It's just  kicking the                                                                    
     issue  down the  road  for someone  else  to deal  with                                                                    
     later. And when  it comes to the Arctic  OCS, later may                                                                    
     be too late.                                                                                                               
         Without a meaningful program, our communities are                                                                      
     left  with  only  one  option.  If  the  State  has  no                                                                    
     interest in  addressing our  concerns, then  we'll have                                                                    
     to turn  to federal  agencies for  help. We'll  have to                                                                    
     see  if  the U.S.  Fish  &  Wildlife Service,  National                                                                    
     Marine   Fisheries    Service,   [Bureau    of   Energy                                                                    
     Management,  Regulation,  and Enforcement]  BOEMRE  and                                                                    
     the  EPA will  pay  more attention.  That's the  corner                                                                    
     we're being forced into.                                                                                                   
         The Borough has been really clear that on most                                                                         
     federal   issues-like   [National  Petroleum   Reserve-                                                                    
     Alaska]   NPR-A  development   or  Endangered   Species                                                                    
     listings-we have  a lot more  in common with  the State                                                                    
     than  we have  with  the feds  or the  [nongovernmental                                                                    
     organizations] NGOs.  I don't  see why the  State would                                                                    
     want to  push us  away in a  direction that  could have                                                                    
     unintended consequences.                                                                                                   
         There will be a de facto alignment going forward-                                                                      
     either the  State can align with  the local communities                                                                    
     whose interests  it ought to represent,  or the federal                                                                    
     agencies  and local  communities  can align.   I  don't                                                                    
     like  that  choice  and that's  a  choice  that  should                                                                    
     concern  all   Alaskans  who   want  urban   and  rural                                                                    
     interests   to  come   together.   Alaskans  are   most                                                                    
     successful when we're united.                                                                                              
         On coastal zone management, the North Slope                                                                            
     Borough has tried to play  by ever-changing rules since                                                                    
     2003. We  have nothing to show  for it. Now it's  up to                                                                    
     the  Administration  and  the  Legislature.  If  you're                                                                    
     going to  leave the program  as it is, and  let coastal                                                                    
     management  work  for  everybody except  those  coastal                                                                    
     communities  who clearly  have  the most  at stake,  it                                                                    
     probably  makes more  sense  to go  ahead  and let  the                                                                    
     program sunset.                                                                                                            
         On the other hand, if the State believes that                                                                          
     local communities  really should have a  say in coastal                                                                    
     policy, if  it values  the partnerships that  come from                                                                    
     working together  on important  federal issues,  and if                                                                    
     it  is  willing to  consider  reasonable  changes to  a                                                                    
     clearly flawed ACMP, then we're listening.                                                                                 
         In closing, the Committee Substitute contains many                                                                     
      good proposals.  I encourage the Committee to take a                                                                      
      positive step forward on this issue by adopting the                                                                       
     CS.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  requested  that Mayor  Itta  repeat  the                                                               
three specific examples  of areas in which "the  state is missing                                                               
in Arctic discussions."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR ITTA  specified the example  of the Endangered  Species Act                                                               
listings for  the polar bear, walrus,  and the bearded seal.   He                                                               
also specified  the examples of the  critical habitat designation                                                               
as  well  as  OCS  issues   regarding  possible  exploration  and                                                               
activity in the Arctic Ocean.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:19:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HERRON   recalled  that  there  has   been  other                                                               
testimony about  designated subsistence areas and  suggested that                                                               
may be a part of the legislation  that needs to be discussed.  He                                                               
asked  if   the  federal  government  considers   the  state  not                                                               
requiring  designated subsistence  areas an  invalid part  of the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR  ITTA characterized  the designated  subsistence area  as a                                                               
catch  22 issue  in  that the  division  overseeing coastal  zone                                                               
management  and  locally  enforceable  policies  also  holds  the                                                               
authority  to designate  subsistence areas.   Without  designated                                                               
subsistence areas,  "we" are unable  to have  locally enforceable                                                               
policies.  The  [North Slope Borough] can't address  the areas of                                                               
concern  because the  division within  the Department  of Natural                                                               
Resources  (DNR)  that  oversees coastal  management  refuses  to                                                               
designate subsistence areas.  Therefore, it's a real wall.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:21:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  agreed that  is the conundrum  about which                                                               
many have testified.  However,  he related his understanding that                                                               
the federal government has told  the state that it cannot require                                                               
designated subsistence  areas from  coastal districts.   He asked                                                               
if that's Mayor Itta's understanding.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR ITTA answered that would be news  to him as it would be the                                                               
first he has heard of this.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:24:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON informed  the  committee that  the proposed  CS,                                                               
labeled  27-GH1965\B, Bullock/Bullard,  3/16/11, was  put forward                                                               
in  an  integrated  fashion  in   order  to  bring  the  concerns                                                               
identified by  the coastal districts  in one document.   However,                                                               
it's difficult  for the  committee to adopt  the entire  piece of                                                               
legislation.  Therefore, Co-Chair  Seaton explained that he would                                                               
like to withdraw  the CS, Version B, from  consideration and then                                                               
come forward with individual elements  of Version B as amendments                                                               
to the  original legislation  as well as  other amendments.   The                                                               
aforementioned  will  allow  the  committee  and  the  public  to                                                               
comment on each element as it's moved forward.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:26:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON  removed her objection to  the motion to                                                               
adopt  the  proposed  CS, labeled  27-GH1965\B,  Bullock/Bullard,                                                               
3/16/11.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON withdrew his motion to adopt Version B.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:26:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DICK  related his  appreciation for  the committee                                                               
addressing HB 106 in this manner.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:26:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[The committee set HB 106 aside while it addressed another bill,                                                                
the committee then returned to HB 106 later in the hearing.]                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
               HB 106-COASTAL MANAGEMENT PROGRAM                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:13:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  announced that  the next order  of business  is a                                                               
return to HOUSE  BILL NO. 106, "An Act  extending the termination                                                               
date of  the Alaska  coastal management  program and  relating to                                                               
the  extension;  relating to  the  review  of activities  of  the                                                               
Alaska  coastal management  program; providing  for an  effective                                                               
date  by amending  the effective  date of  sec. 22,  ch. 31,  SLA                                                               
2005; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:13:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  BALASH, Deputy  Commissioner,  Office  of the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department of  Natural Resources,  told the committee  that today                                                               
he will discuss  the coastal district planning  process, which is                                                               
the process  by which the  department reviews and  approves local                                                               
district  plans that  are then  used in  the coastal  consistency                                                               
review.   Referring to  slide 2  entitled "Federal  Structure for                                                               
Coastal  Programs  and  Local  Participation,"  he  informed  the                                                               
committee  that  the Coastal  Zone  Management  Act (CZMA)  is  a                                                               
federal program that  allows states to develop  their own coastal                                                               
management program,  which Alaska did  in the 1970s.   Basically,                                                               
there are three  techniques that can be utilized.   "Technique A"                                                               
is  a locally  implemented  coastal management  program in  which                                                               
there  is  a state  program,  standards  are developed,  and  the                                                               
authorization to provide the  consistency determinations is given                                                               
to  the local  [community].    "Technique B"  is  a purely  state                                                               
program  in  which  a  state   agency  administers  the  program,                                                               
collects  the  comments, performs  the  reviews,  and grants  the                                                               
authorizations.     "Technique   C,"  a   hybrid  of   the  other                                                               
techniques,  is one  in which  coastal districts  are allowed  to                                                               
form and  participate in the  program.  If the  coastal districts                                                               
choose, they  can develop local  coastal district plans  that are                                                               
incorporated as part of the reviews  the state performs and is an                                                               
additional element  of participation in  the program.   Alaska is                                                               
the  only  state that  has  taken  this  approach.   Whether  the                                                               
district  or  area  has  a  local  plan,  coastal  districts  can                                                               
participate   in   the  review   and   comment   process.     The                                                               
aforementioned, he opined, is an  important and necessary element                                                               
to  achieve the  consensus  necessary to  advance  projects in  a                                                               
responsible manner.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:17:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  asked if  the technique  A falls  under the                                                               
30-day  or  50-day  limitation  on   a  review  or  is  there  no                                                               
limitation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  suggested that Representative Munoz  may be referring                                                               
to  the  ABC  list  for  the  consistency  review  process.    He                                                               
clarified  that the  aforementioned  techniques  are the  overall                                                               
path a state  takes when choosing which type of  program to have.                                                               
The point of explaining the  various techniques was to illustrate                                                               
that  Alaska's program  is  unique  and adds  more  value to  the                                                               
program.  Although coastal districts,  he explained, can form and                                                               
not necessarily have  a local coastal district plan  that is part                                                               
of   the  program,   they  can   participate   in  the   reviews.                                                               
Furthermore,  even  without  a   local  plan  there  are  certain                                                               
circumstances under  which they can  be granted due  deference in                                                               
the  review   proceeding  in  the  consistency   review  process.                                                               
However, Mr. Balash wanted to be  clear that due deference is not                                                               
given to  any local district  at any time, rather  it's dependent                                                               
upon the  circumstances.  If  the local district has  an approved                                                               
local plan  with local rules  and designated policies,  then they                                                               
enjoy  deference  on  those  particular  pieces  and  components.                                                               
Otherwise, the  local district is  just another  reviewing entity                                                               
participating in the review process.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:19:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  explained that  for those  coastal districts  that do                                                               
wish to participate and develop a  local coastal plan there are a                                                               
set of regulations and procedures  for the district to follow and                                                               
adopt  a plan.   He  then directed  attention to  slide 3,  which                                                               
relates the  elements of a  coastal district  plan.  The  list of                                                               
elements  is specified  in the  regulations.   He noted  that the                                                               
plan itself has a large  amount of information regarding the area                                                               
itself, including  the resources, historic  use of the  area, and                                                               
activities of  the local  residents.  All  of the  information is                                                               
developed in a public process, as specified on slide 4.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:20:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE asked  if all that's presented on  slide 4 happens                                                               
prior to any reviews.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH  replied  yes,  adding that  the  process  occurs  in                                                               
accordance with the regulations.   The [plan] is developed by the                                                               
coastal district,  which informs the  division that they  want to                                                               
print a plan or amend their plan.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:20:527 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON, returning  to slide 3, inquired as  to where the                                                               
historic use of an area is  incorporated in the [elements] of the                                                               
coastal district plan.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH answered that within  the resource inventory, resource                                                               
analysis, and  subject uses, and activities  the coastal district                                                               
identifies, particularly for subsistence  use areas, what is used                                                               
and the times of year it's used.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:21:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON  asked if  per  the  regulation there  are  fine                                                               
details for  the very specific areas  and uses.  He  asked if the                                                               
regulations define and require that specificity.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  said that he  would talk more about  designated areas                                                               
and activities later.   However, he offered that to  the extent a                                                               
local plan  includes information,  that information  doesn't mean                                                               
the area has achieved the designated area status under the plan.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:22:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  then returned  to the  flow chart  on slide  4, which                                                               
illustrates the sequential process that  occurs over two to three                                                               
years.   This  is  a  long-involved process  in  which a  coastal                                                               
district  has  meetings  with  agencies,  stakeholders,  and  the                                                               
public; performs its initial work;  and submits a public draft to                                                               
DCOM.   After  achieving completeness  in the  application stage,                                                               
the  coastal  district  then  moves on  to  the  public  hearing,                                                               
comment,  and meeting  stage.   Mr. Balash  drew the  committee's                                                               
attention to the various stages of  the process leading up to the                                                               
final approval  process.  He then  focused on the second  step of                                                               
the final approval process in  which the commissioner approves or                                                               
disapproves the amendment.  At  this stage, if a coastal district                                                               
is dissatisfied with the evaluation  made by DCOM, it can request                                                               
mediation.  Mediation is a  voluntary process and the district is                                                               
not bound to accept the  mediator's decision.  However, following                                                               
[the medication]  the commissioner issues the  final approval [or                                                               
disapproval] for the plan.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:25:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH highlighted that at  various stages during the process                                                               
there are opportunities  for public comment.  He  opined that the                                                               
record  would  show  that  as the  coastal  districts  have  gone                                                               
through  this process,  some of  them have  generated significant                                                               
comments  by  specific  interest,  whether it  was  by  state  or                                                               
federal  agencies, trade  associations, and  impacted industries.                                                               
The intent  is to obtain  a lot of  input into those  local plans                                                               
and to  help DCOM  evaluate the specifics  that matter  the most,                                                               
particularly in the enforceable polices section.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:26:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH related  that since the law was changed  in 2003, four                                                               
coastal districts have  requested mediation.  Two  of the coastal                                                               
districts  utilized  a  professional   mediator  and  reached  an                                                               
agreement.    However, two  other  coastal  districts utilized  a                                                               
professional facilitator  and despite  concerted effort  DCOM was                                                               
unable  to approve  the enforceable  policies that  were of  high                                                               
value to those coastal districts.   Both of the coastal districts                                                               
that utilized  the professional facilitator  voluntarily declared                                                               
an impasse and don't currently have approvable plans.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:27:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH, referring  to slide  5, pointed  out that  the major                                                               
focus  of the  DCOM approval  process  is in  regard to  specific                                                               
components  of  the  plan, which  include  enforceable  policies,                                                               
designated areas, and maps.   There are certain rules with regard                                                               
to the  enforceable components, which  resulted in  DCOM creating                                                               
the ACMP Enforceable Policy Decision  Tree.  He characterized the                                                               
ACMP  Enforceable Policy  Decision  Tree as  a  lengthy road  map                                                               
that's  dependent  upon the  paths  taken  at  the forks  of  the                                                               
process.   Ultimately the ACMP  Enforceable Policy  Decision Tree                                                               
determines whether a policy or area is approvable.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:28:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH, referring  to slide  6, told  the committee  that he                                                               
wanted to  discuss House Bill 191,  very contentious legislation,                                                               
which was passed  in 2003.  The  intent of House Bill  191 was to                                                               
put  ACMP in  context  and to  illustrate that  the  state has  a                                                               
robust program  that takes  into account  local input  and values                                                               
while at the  same time recognizing that there is  an entire body                                                               
of  state  and  federal  law  regarding  the  protection  of  the                                                               
environment,  including  the  coastal  areas.    The  legislation                                                               
eliminated  the  Coastal  Policy  Council,  which  had  been  the                                                               
governing body of the ACMP,  and transferred those authorities to                                                               
the  Department  of  Natural Resources.    The  legislation  also                                                               
required a  rewrite of the  ACMP statewide standards  that govern                                                               
activities  in the  coastal zone  as well  as the  development of                                                               
local plans.  The aforementioned,  thus, required all local plans                                                               
be rewritten and reapproved.   He highlighted that House Bill 191                                                               
made important  clarifications in the consistency  review process                                                               
and the  Department of Environmental Conservation  (DEC) carveout                                                               
was established.   Referring to  slice 7, Mr. Balash  pointed out                                                               
that  after  the  passage  of   House  Bill  191,  the  statutory                                                               
requirements  occurred  in AS  46.40.030  and  46.40.070.   Those                                                               
statutes  specify  that  local enforceable  policies  "shall  not                                                               
duplicate,  restate,  or  incorporate by  reference  statutes  or                                                               
regulations adopted by  state or federal agencies."   The statute                                                               
was largely  in response to the  practice of a number  of coastal                                                               
districts   that   adopted,   by   reference,   the   regulations                                                               
promulgated  by DEC  regarding land,  air,  and water  use.   The                                                               
aforementioned  created conflict  and tension  between the  local                                                               
district when it interpreted its  plan and the interpretations by                                                               
the  agency  that  actually promulgated  the  regulations.    The                                                               
notion   was    to   eliminate   duplication    and   conflicting                                                               
interpretations  of  the  same regulations.    The  statute  also                                                               
requires that the enforceable policies  be clear and concise with                                                               
regard to  the activities  and person  affected by  the policies.                                                               
Furthermore,   the  enforceable   policies   must  use   precise,                                                               
prescriptive,  and  enforceable  language and  shouldn't  address                                                               
matters regulated  or authorized by  state or federal  law unless                                                               
the enforceable policy relates specifically  to a matter of local                                                               
concern.   Referring to slide  8, Mr. Balash stated  that matters                                                               
of    local   concern    are   defined    specifically   in    AS                                                               
46.40.070(A)(2)(C)  such   that  the  matter  of   local  concern                                                               
demonstrates  it's  sensitive  to development,  isn't  adequately                                                               
addressed by  state or federal law,  and is of unique  concern to                                                               
the coastal resource  district as demonstrated by  local usage or                                                               
scientific  evidence.   Mr. Balash  characterized  those as  high                                                               
statutory   hurdles  that   are  further   fleshed  out   in  the                                                               
regulations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:33:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON related  his understanding  that there  has been                                                               
some consternation regarding the  interpretations of the language                                                               
"not adequately addressed  by state or federal  law."  Therefore,                                                               
he  requested   clarification  on  the   aforementioned  language                                                               
because his understanding is that  there are interpretations that                                                               
state law doesn't  have the ability to address it,  even if there                                                               
are no regulations.  If the  state has the ability to address the                                                               
matter  of   local  concern,  then  it's   considered  adequately                                                               
addressed, and therefore no local  concern can be about something                                                               
for which the state hasn't issued regulations.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH agreed that the  language "not adequately addressed by                                                               
state  or federal  law" does  drive much  conflict between  local                                                               
planners and DCOM.  Furthermore,  it's a difficult area to parse.                                                               
As an  example he  turned to the  preservation and  regulation of                                                               
fish  habitat,  which  the legislature  has  charged  ADF&G  with                                                               
protecting throughout  the state.   Those who  conduct activities                                                               
in  an area  with  sensitive fish  habitat  must follow  specific                                                               
rules  and obtain  the  permits required  by  ADF&G, Division  of                                                               
Habitat.   Therefore,  when  a local  coastal  district tries  to                                                               
regulate or  constrict the  impacts on fish  habitat in  a manner                                                               
that  is  already addressed  by  ADF&G  there  is tension.    The                                                               
question is whether it's the  legislature's desire to allow local                                                               
coastal districts to  get into the middle of  fish habitat issues                                                               
that  ADF&G  already   has  the  authority  to   regulate.    The                                                               
department,  DNR,  has determined  that  ADF&G  already has  that                                                               
authority and  thus makes  those decisions.   Although  the local                                                               
reviewing entity  is still  able to comment  when an  activity is                                                               
occurring and  there is a  fish habitat involved in  the project,                                                               
it doesn't  enjoy due  deference.  He  explained that  during the                                                               
review  process if  consensus can't  be found,  then one  must be                                                               
aware of  the agency that  enjoys due deference.   Currently, the                                                               
policy  is to  give due  deference  to the  biologist versus  the                                                               
local  community.     Still,  consensus  among   all  parties  is                                                               
attempted, he emphasized.  Mr.  Balash suggested that there might                                                               
be something  the Division of Habitat  regulations don't address,                                                               
which is  the point  at which some  local coastal  districts have                                                               
tried to find  some room to insert their own  policies.  Although                                                               
the aforementioned  is a gray area,  it hasn't been treated  as a                                                               
gray area  in the implementation  of the standards  for reviewing                                                               
local plans.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:38:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  recalled testimony that local  coastal districts                                                               
would  be  able  to  address  matters  that  aren't  specifically                                                               
addressed  by the  agencies, particularly  when there  is no  map                                                               
showing the habitat.   Therefore, whether a  matter is adequately                                                               
addressed by  state or  federal law  is fairly  questionable when                                                               
there is no  map.  However, the agency has  taken the stance that                                                               
since  they would  have the  ability  to pen  regulations on  the                                                               
matter,  the local  coastal district  can't have  local policies.                                                               
He asked if that's the case.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH   opined  that  the   question  is  whether   or  not                                                               
"adequately addressed" is a subjective  or objective term of art.                                                               
Unfortunately,  it is  subjective.   Whether  a  matter has  been                                                               
adequately addressed by the agency  with authority is a matter of                                                               
interpretation.   Although  DCOM has  worked to  balance it,  the                                                               
division has erred  on the side of not  having exceptions because                                                               
once exceptions are  granted it's difficult to draw  a hard line.                                                               
The [DCOM] has  been tough with regard to the  elimination of the                                                               
overlap of authority.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:41:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  SEATON recalled  that the  state's testimony  regarding                                                               
House Bill 191  was that if a matter  wasn't adequately addressed                                                               
in regulations,  then the local  coastal districts  could address                                                               
it in their  enforceable policies.  Co-Chair Seaton  said that he                                                               
wanted  to be  sure that  the  legislative intent  of that  point                                                               
isn't being  stretched since Mr.  Balash's comments  are opposite                                                               
of what the  legislature was told at the time  House Bill 191 was                                                               
debated.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH  responded,  "...  that's  a  fair  acknowledgement."                                                               
However,  without  sufficient  legislative interpretation  as  to                                                               
whether "adequately  addressed" has occurred, the  department had                                                               
to exercise  its judgment.   He characterized  the aforementioned                                                               
as a part of administering a program.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE commented, "We'll work on that."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:42:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE inquired  as  to how  local  usage or  scientific                                                               
evidence is demonstrated, accomplished.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH deferred to Mr. Bates.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:43:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY BATES, Director, Division  of Coastal and Ocean Management,                                                               
Division of  Natural Resources, pointed  out that the  two terms,                                                               
"local  usage" and  "scientific evidence,"  are defined  in DNR's                                                               
regulations.   To justify a  designated area for  subsistence use                                                               
requires  the  demonstration  of  local usage,  which  means  the                                                               
current and historical use of an  area.  He noted that definition                                                               
of "local  usage" was  added in  2005 as  part of  the additional                                                               
regulations package.  The definition  of "scientific evidence" is                                                               
specific  to what  a coastal  district would  need to  provide to                                                               
justify a  designated area or  an enforceable policy  for habitat                                                               
and other areas,  which is based on  documented and peer-reviewed                                                               
scientific principles and other requirements.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:44:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE inquired as to how "local usage" is demonstrated.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BATES  informed the committee  that the definition  of "local                                                               
usage" is found in 11 AAC 114.990(23) and is as follows:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
      (23) "local usage" means current and actual use of a                                                                      
     coastal resource by residents of the locality in which                                                                     
     the resource is found;                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  local  coastal  district  would  demonstrate  local  usage  by                                                               
affirmation  or  confirmation of  local  usage.   Simply  put,  a                                                               
resident could  raise an issue  that the assembly adopts  as part                                                               
of the  district plan.   He acknowledged that the  designation of                                                               
subsistence uses  has had to  include a lower threshold  of local                                                               
usage so  it could  be moved forward  for the  coastal districts.                                                               
There  isn't a  body of  information related  to all  of the  use                                                               
areas  or the  science behind  the use  areas, and  therefore the                                                               
threshold for proving subsistence was  low.  In terms of habitat,                                                               
a higher threshold of scientific evidence is required.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:46:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  asked then if Mr.  Bates is only referring  to a                                                               
municipal district  adopting a matter  into a local  ordinance in                                                               
response to someone raising an area of subsistence.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BATES  clarified that  the  aforementioned  is one  form  of                                                               
confirmation  or  affirmation.   He  explained  that all  coastal                                                               
district plans have  to go through an approval  process either as                                                               
a  city  through their  code,  as  a municipality  through  their                                                               
assembly and  ordinances, or as  a coastal resource  service area                                                               
through their board.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:47:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  asked then if  it would be  adequate confirmation                                                               
of  local  usage  for  an   elder  to  inform  the  coastal  zone                                                               
management  board  that he  has  always  hunted  for seals  in  a                                                               
particular area.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BATES  responded, "In general, the  answer is yes."   He then                                                               
provided  the following  example of  a designated  area that  DNR                                                               
couldn't  approve.    He recalled  that  while  historically  the                                                               
community of  Point Hope had  participated in the harvest  of bow                                                               
head  whales,  it   hadn't  done  so  for  a   number  of  years.                                                               
Therefore,  the  aforementioned  local   usage  didn't  meet  the                                                               
threshold of the  definition because there hadn't been  a hunt or                                                               
a subsistence harvest for bow head  whales for at least a decade.                                                               
Since the community  was intending to hunt  the following spring,                                                               
the district was told that when  the hunt was completed it should                                                               
submit the  information with its  coastal management plan  and it                                                               
would qualify as local usage.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:49:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  recalled that 280 enforceable  policies were not                                                               
approved and inquired as to why they weren't approved.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH said he will touch  on that later in the presentation,                                                               
but  noted that  most of  the time  denial can  be attributed  to                                                               
duplication  of  state  or  federal  law  or  the  local  coastal                                                               
district  not  adequately  demonstrating that  the  matter  isn't                                                               
addressed by state or federal law or regulation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:50:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH,  returning to  slide 9  of his  presentation, pointed                                                               
out that there are other  important criteria.  He emphasized that                                                               
"adequately addressed" is a  specific filter/qualification in the                                                               
statute.  He then related  that another area of consternation has                                                               
been whether or not a  policy flows from the statewide standards.                                                               
Again, statute specifies that local  plans and policies must meet                                                               
statewide  standards  and  district   plan  criteria  while  also                                                               
requiring  DNR  to   identify  what  land  and   water  uses  and                                                               
activities  are subject  to  the  ACMP.   Due  to that  statutory                                                               
requirement, DCOM has established a  long list of activities from                                                               
which local  enforceable policies  would flow.   Those activities                                                               
include  the following:   coastal  development, natural  hazards,                                                               
coastal access, energy facilities, and  others that he offered to                                                               
provide the committee.  Moving on  to slide 10, Mr. Balash stated                                                               
that  another   important  component  of  the   coastal  district                                                               
management plans is the designated  areas.  He highlighted that a                                                               
designated area doesn't necessarily  need to have an accompanying                                                               
local  enforceable  policy.   Once  a  designated area  has  been                                                               
approved in the local plan, the  policies that apply in that area                                                               
are  ones  for  which  the  local  coastal  district  enjoys  due                                                               
deference during the  review process.  There  are certain subject                                                               
uses that are  identified areas in the local plan,  and there are                                                               
more  of those  than  are considered  in  the consistency  review                                                               
process.    He  explained  that  the  statute  in  2003  required                                                               
designated areas  to be included  and approved because  under the                                                               
old program the designated areas  weren't actually being approved                                                               
while the policies  were still being applied.    Therefore, there                                                               
was  confusion  regarding when  and  under  what circumstances  a                                                               
policy applied  or not.   With the legislative goal  of providing                                                               
certainty  and predictability  with the  ACMP review  process for                                                               
project sponsors,  the [designated areas]  provided clarification                                                               
regarding  what the  rules were  and where  they applied.     Mr.                                                               
Balash then  moved on  to another point  of contention,  which is                                                               
regarding  whether a  designated area  can include  federal land.                                                               
The federal  law doesn't allow federal  land to be included  in a                                                               
designated  area, and  therefore it  creates a  challenge in  the                                                               
adoption  of designated  areas in  local plans,  particularly for                                                               
those in or around significant  bodies of federal land.  However,                                                               
there is a way to have  the state's enforceable policies apply to                                                               
certain  federal  activities  occurring  on  federal  lands,  but                                                               
that's  something to  take advantage  of  during the  consistency                                                               
review process  by doing  an effects  test.   Still, it  can't be                                                               
included  permanently in  the local  plan  itself.    Mr.  Balash                                                               
noted  that the  aforementioned  is  particularly important  when                                                               
discussing  the  offshore areas.    Because  the designated  area                                                               
can't include federal lands, Alaska  extends three miles offshore                                                               
and beyond  that point is federal  land.  Although an  area can't                                                               
be  designated  in the  offshore  for  subsistence uses,  natural                                                               
hazards, or the  like for purposes of the local  plan, during the                                                               
consistency  review  process  the  federal effects  test  can  be                                                               
performed to determine  whether the activity on  the federal land                                                               
is going to have an effect  on a coastal use or coastal resource.                                                               
For example, if an activity  offshore of the Beaufort and Chukchi                                                               
Seas caused  the whales to  deflect toward land, the  activity is                                                               
having an  effect on the use  of a coastal resource  or activity.                                                               
The aforementioned  allows the [state]  to reach out  beyond that                                                               
three-mile limit,  which is  of great  frustration for  those who                                                               
identify their  entire being with the  bow head whale.   Prior to                                                               
2003, designated  areas that included  federal land were  what he                                                               
characterized  as an  oversight  by both  the  state and  federal                                                               
agencies and came to light when reworking the program.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:58:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  asked, "Is  the state in  the same  position, as                                                               
far as  if we are  talking about a  use and designated  areas are                                                               
required  that  we lose  some  of  our  ability to  constrain  or                                                               
control or  ... to  affect those  kind of  uses on  federal lands                                                               
because designated  areas are not  permitted by the state  or the                                                               
districts on federal land?"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  opined that  it does present  an obstacle.   However,                                                               
the federal effects test can  be utilized to credibly demonstrate                                                               
that  the  coastal resource  or  coastal  uses  are going  to  be                                                               
effected.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:59:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH,  continuing is  presentation, informed  the committee                                                               
that  there   are  specific   requirements  in   the  regulations                                                               
regarding how a designated area  becomes such.  Furthermore, each                                                               
type  of area  has its  own set  of rules  for documentation  and                                                               
consultation.   As mentioned earlier  with regard  to subsistence                                                               
uses, local  use documentation  provides a  means of  meeting the                                                               
requirement and getting the area  into the local plan.  Important                                                               
habitat  areas   are  a  different  classification   and  have  a                                                               
different  set  of  rules.   Moreover,  important  habitat  areas                                                               
require a more stringent set  of requirements in terms of written                                                               
scientific   evidence  that   the   area   is  biologically   and                                                               
significantly productive.   These designated areas  are important                                                               
during the  consistency review process  as well as for  those who                                                               
want to  understand what's going on  in the local area  where the                                                               
project is being developed.  He  then moved on to the requirement                                                               
that a  designated area must  be described  or mapped at  a scale                                                               
sufficient  to determine  whether a  use or  activity is  located                                                               
within  the  [designated]  area,  which  has  been  a  cause  for                                                               
concern.   The  mapping  is  a burden  and  has  costs, but  it's                                                               
necessary to understand where and when different rules apply.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:03:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH directed the committee's  attention to slide 12, which                                                               
is  the  flow  chart  of the  ACMP  District  Enforceable  Policy                                                               
Decision  Tree.   As mentioned  earlier,  there are  a number  of                                                               
filters  that are  used to  screen out  an enforceable  policy in                                                               
order  to  decide  whether  it's something  unique  or  of  local                                                               
significance and  importance.  He  pointed out that  the district                                                               
can designate  an area, but  not necessarily have  an enforceable                                                               
policy  that goes  along with  it.   As illustrated  by the  flow                                                               
chart, it's difficult  to satisfy all the  requirements to obtain                                                               
a local  enforceable policy  into the  plan.   The aforementioned                                                               
was intended by  House Bill 191 in 2003.   It's a difficult point                                                               
of  contention  between the  districts  and  the division,  while                                                               
recognizing the ACMP's place in  the overall regulatory structure                                                               
at the  state and  federal level for  the development  of natural                                                               
resources  and conducting  activities in  these sensitive  areas.                                                               
With  regard to  an earlier  question regarding  the reasons  why                                                               
enforceable policies  have been  disapproved, Mr. Balash  said he                                                               
wasn't sure  there is a document  that states every reason  why a                                                               
given enforceable policy would be  disapproved.  However, once an                                                               
enforceable policy  fails one of  the tests in the  ACMP District                                                               
Enforceable  Policy  Decision  Tree, the  enforceable  policy  is                                                               
disapproved.     Disapproved   enforceable  policies   have  been                                                               
reviewed on  occasion and  the mediation  process is  utilized to                                                               
move  disapproved enforceable  policies  to approved  enforceable                                                               
policies.  In  some cases, the division has faced  a challenge in                                                               
terms of  the advice the  coastal districts are receiving.   When                                                               
the coastal districts receive advice  from people who opposed the                                                               
changes  made in  2003  and who  disagree with  the  policy at  a                                                               
fundamental level,  it's not conducive to  finding common ground.                                                               
He  related  that  he  has  information  that  suggests  numerous                                                               
examples  in  which  coastal districts  included  in  their  plan                                                               
[enforceable] policies  that it  knew weren't approvable  well in                                                               
advance  and  forced  the  division  to  comment  negatively  and                                                               
disapprove  the  plan.   The  aforementioned  is unfortunate,  he                                                               
opined.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:07:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON  remarked that he  found it difficult  to believe                                                               
that  plans   were  disapproved  without  communicating   to  the                                                               
districts  why they  were disapproved.   Therefore,  he requested                                                               
the committee  be provided with the  communications and reasoning                                                               
for  the   first  four  to   five  district  [plans]   that  were                                                               
disapproved.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  agreed to do  so.   He then directed  the committee's                                                               
attention  to slide  4 and  pointed out  that there  are multiple                                                               
steps during the amendment process  when the comments of DCOM and                                                               
analysis of plans are known and available.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:09:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH,  continuing his  presentation, moved  on to  slide 13                                                               
entitled  "Examples of  Enforceable Policies."   He  reminded the                                                               
committee that  the legislature purposefully  limited enforceable                                                               
policies to  reduce duplication with existing  authorities and to                                                               
focus  ACMP  on   the  coast  and  coastal   interactions.    The                                                               
boundaries of  the program had  been limited, which  impacted the                                                               
makeup of the  local plans.  Mr. Balash  said it's understandable                                                               
why local districts would like  to have greater authority and the                                                               
opportunity  to have  a given  policy regardless  of whether  the                                                               
state or federal agency manages that  issue, such as in regard to                                                               
marine mammals.   The Marine Mammal Act is a  federal law used by                                                               
the  National Oceanic  and Atmospheric  Administration (NOAA)  to                                                               
manage  aquatic resources.    Therefore,  when proposed  district                                                               
policies would regulate  the impacts and take  of marine mammals,                                                               
it duplicates  the aforementioned  federal law.   He acknowledged                                                               
that it's  a hot  button issue.   Although the  entire department                                                               
and  the governor  understands  the importance  of  the bow  head                                                               
whale  to  the  Inupiat  people,   under  this  program  policies                                                               
regulating  the   bow  head  whale   can't  be  approved.     The                                                               
aforementioned, he  stated, will be  difficult to reconcile.   He                                                               
then  directed attention  to slide  14 and  discussed the  City &                                                               
Borough of  Juneau's Wetlands Management  Plan.   Originally, DNR                                                               
was going  to disapprove Juneau's  Wetlands Management  Plan, but                                                               
after  consultation with  the U.S.  Army Corps  of Engineers  the                                                               
city  was able  to request  and receive  authority to  manage the                                                               
wetlands and include it in Juneau's local coastal district plan.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:13:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.   WILSON  asked  if,  in   the  aforementioned                                                               
situation,  the City  & Borough  of  Juneau (CBJ)  already had  a                                                               
general permit.   She related  her understanding that  Juneau has                                                               
three  different general  permits  from the  U.S.  Army Corps  of                                                               
Engineers that allows the city to "take care of themselves."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH related his understanding  that had to do with whether                                                               
some nationwide permits that exist  for wetlands activities would                                                               
apply  in  Juneau.   "This  is  a  separate  deal, just  for  the                                                               
wetlands here in the CBJ," he stated.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:14:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH,   returning  to  his   presentation,  moved   on  to                                                               
consistency  review  examples  in  which  the  local  enforceable                                                               
policies were applied successfully.   The Bristol Bay Borough was                                                               
able  to  rely on  four  of  its  approved district  policies  to                                                               
persuade the U.S. Army Corps  of Engineers to exclude the borough                                                               
from  a suction  dredging general  permit.   General permits,  he                                                               
explained, are permits  that operate by regulation  as opposed to                                                               
permitting a  specific activity.   The Division of  Habitat sited                                                               
the  habitat  standard  to  require  miners  to  stay  away  from                                                               
fisheries  statewide.     In  the  Kenai   Peninsula  Borough  an                                                               
applicant  proposed a  shellfish  farm in  Halibut  Cove and  the                                                               
district  used one  of  its policies  to  propose an  alternative                                                               
measure, which  led the  applicant to adjust  the operation.   In                                                               
the Bristol  Bay CRSA, an  applicant proposed a new  hybrid fiber                                                               
optic and microwave broadband network.   The district used one of                                                               
its enforceable  policies to propose an  alternative measure that                                                               
was  used in  the Nushagak  Mulchatna Designated  Subsistence Use                                                               
Area and  Recreational Use Area.   The aforementioned illustrated                                                               
how  the  coastal  districts  are using  their  plans  to  change                                                               
projects that are  actually being proposed and  established.  "To                                                               
the  extent this  state has  developed  this particular  program,                                                               
we're able  to provide opportunities  for locals to  affect those                                                               
projects,   even   with   limited   enforceable   policies,"   he                                                               
highlighted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:17:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH, referring to slide 16,  returned to the flow chart on                                                               
the  consistency  review process.    He  clarified that  when  he                                                               
presented information  on Wednesday he  didn't mean to  leave the                                                               
impression that  local coastal districts  enjoy due  deference in                                                               
many circumstances, particularly  in the box on Day  13/25 when a                                                               
local  district  requests the  designation  of  a specific  area,                                                               
which isn't  always granted.   However, if that specific  area is                                                               
granted in  that particular review,  the district does  enjoy due                                                               
deference in the process that  occurs during the consideration of                                                               
comments  and the  attempts to  resolve issues.   Again,  it's an                                                               
attempt to  obtain consensus between all  the reviewing entities,                                                               
not just those enjoying due deference.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:18:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE, referring to bullet  2 on slide 15, recalled that                                                               
there  have been  complaints regarding  restrictions  on how  the                                                               
coastal districts can spend their implementation funding.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  confirmed that there  are some restrictions  on those                                                               
activities.   There are a couple  of strains of revenue  from the                                                               
federal government,  some of  which require  a state  match while                                                               
others do not.   Section 306 funds are  implementation funds that                                                               
amount  to  about $2.1  million  in  the  fiscal year  (FY)  2011                                                               
budget.   The section  306 funds are  shared with  state agencies                                                               
and a portion is shared with  the coastal districts.  The section                                                               
309  funds can  only be  used for  changes to  the program.   The                                                               
section  306 funds,  implementation  funds,  are for  consistency                                                               
reviews and the activities that  take place in the implementation                                                               
of the program, while the section  309 funds are for project plan                                                               
amendments.   These  funds  are  a limited  pot  of money  that's                                                               
distributed on  a competitive basis  to coastal districts.   If a                                                               
coastal district wanted  to propose a new designated  area in its                                                               
plan, [the section 309] funds would be available.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:20:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FEIGE  asked if  strings are  attached to  the different                                                               
funding sources.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BALASH  answered  that  the strings  are  connected  to  the                                                               
purpose of the  particular grant line.  For example,  it would be                                                               
inappropriate for  a community that  requested section  309 funds                                                               
and received them  to try to use those funds  to pay a consultant                                                               
for  a  consistency review.    For  the aforementioned  activity,                                                               
section 306 funds would have to be used.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FEIGE surmised,  "So,  it's not  that  they can't  hire                                                               
consultants, it's  just they  have to be  very careful  what that                                                               
consultant  is  engaged  in  doing for  them  under  the  funding                                                               
stream."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH agreed with that summation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:21:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH,  in response to  Representative P.  Wilson, explained                                                               
that  when coastal  districts request  a grant,  an agreement  is                                                               
signed that specifies  how much funding can be used  and for what                                                               
purposes.     The  request  includes  a   budget,  including  the                                                               
approximate hours for a consultant, training, and travel.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:22:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON inquired as  to how a  coastal district                                                               
would know how many hours it will take.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH deferred to Mr. Bates.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BATES  explained that annually  a particular amount  of grant                                                               
funds is set aside in order  that those funds go to the districts                                                               
for  implementation.   Those implementation  funds have  averaged                                                               
$710,000  over the  last several  fiscal years;  those funds  are                                                               
split between the  20 participating coastal districts  based on a                                                               
funding  formula that  was developed  by Department  of Commerce,                                                               
Community & Economic Development and  DNR.  For example, the City                                                               
of  Sitka, the  City &  Borough of  Juneau, and  the North  Slope                                                               
Borough each receive  about $38,000 annually and  base their work                                                               
plan on that amount of funds.   Although that amount of funds may                                                               
not  be enough  to fully  fund their  participation in  the ACMP,                                                               
they  have to  match  that  with local  funds  and anything  else                                                               
necessary has  to come  from the  [coastal district]  unless [the                                                               
state] can provide additional funds somehow.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON questioned how the  [coastal districts]                                                               
would know  the amount of hours  they would spend on  the various                                                               
activities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BATES  clarified that the  municipalities aren't held  to the                                                               
same standards as  the CRSAs, which exist solely  for purposes of                                                               
coastal management.   As part of an annual  budget, CRSAs provide                                                               
an  estimate  of how  much  time  will  be spent  on  consistency                                                               
reviews,  bookkeeping,  and  education.    He  characterized  the                                                               
aforementioned  as a  best  guess with  which  the department  is                                                               
willing to  work.  The  municipalities, on the other  hand, don't                                                               
put together  as detailed a  work plan annually.   The department                                                               
reimburses  the CRSAs  through  [DCCED]  on actual  expenditures.                                                               
Therefore, while  the CRSAs develop  a work plan, they  also have                                                               
to submit detailed billings for reimbursement.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:25:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON, referring  to slide 14, related  his pleasure in                                                               
understanding that  the Bristol Bay Borough,  the Kenai Peninsula                                                               
Borough, and  the Bristol Bay  CRSA use the  enforceable policies                                                               
to make  a project with  stipulations and conditions  that better                                                               
fit  with the  local  area  and its  concerns.   Co-Chair  Seaton                                                               
expressed  the  need  for  the public  to  understand  that  this                                                               
program [uses  the enforceable  policies] not as  a wall,  but to                                                               
make the project work well within the system.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:26:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BALASH  agreed with Co-Chair  Seaton in terms of  the program                                                               
that is in place today.   However, he then provided two examples,                                                               
one of which is in regard  to an enforceable policy and the other                                                               
is in regard  to a designated area from the  draft plan submitted                                                               
by the North  Slope Borough.  In these examples,  he posited that                                                               
Shell is going  to engage in an exploration plan  in the Beaufort                                                               
Sea.   The  North Slope  Borough proposed  an enforceable  policy                                                               
that  states:   "When  there  are  potentially conflicting  uses,                                                               
subsistence uses of plants, fish,  and wildlife, including marine                                                               
mammals,  shall be  the highest  priority  use of  the lands  and                                                               
waters  in   the  coastal   area."     Therefore,  if   Shell  or                                                               
ConocoPhillips  or  any  other  lessees  were  to  engage  in  an                                                               
exploration plan, they would go  to DCOM with their questionnaire                                                               
and  put forward  a  plan  stating their  belief  the project  is                                                               
consistent  with the  program,  including  the local  enforceable                                                               
policy.  The  comments from the coastal district  could object to                                                               
the coastal  plan based on the  impact on the bow  head whale and                                                               
related  subsistence   activities  and  propose   an  alternative                                                               
measure, which would be to  modify the exploration plan such that                                                               
it would  be a  winter only activity.   The  aforementioned would                                                               
dramatically  increase the  cost and  time for  Shell to  conduct                                                               
those exploration activities.   In order to  obtain a consistency                                                               
determination  in that  case, Shell  would have  to agree  to the                                                               
aforementioned  alternative  measure.   Although  there  is  some                                                               
question as  to whether  that's how  the borough  would implement                                                               
the  policy and  submit their  comments, it's  an example  of how                                                               
that  particular  series  of  policies  would  fall  out  in  the                                                               
consistency  review process.    Mr.  Balash emphasized,  however,                                                               
that he didn't  believe the aforementioned scenario  is a stretch                                                               
and in  fact, mirrors some  of the  requests from the  borough in                                                               
certain situations with the offshore.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:30:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SEATON recalled testimony the  other day that instead of                                                               
using  the consistency  review process  to resolve  such matters,                                                               
Shell  has  been  waiting  as  the  federal  government  proceeds                                                               
through its processes,  which has caused a number  of years delay                                                               
as well.   Now, the programs are being modified  to be similar to                                                               
the  local  enforceable  policies  that  were  suggested  at  the                                                               
outset.  Therefore, Co-Chair Seaton  expressed the need to ensure                                                               
the consistency  review process will  provide the fastest  way to                                                               
develop a process.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 106 was held over.]                                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
110325 Reps EFeige and PSeaton re H RES inquiry Enclosure 1.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
110325 Reps EFeige and PSeaton re H RES inquiry Enclosure 2.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
110325 Reps EFeige and PSeaton re H RES inquiry Enclosure 3.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
110325 Reps EFeige and PSeaton re H RES inquiry.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3.25.11 HB 106 - ACMP District Planning Process.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/28/2011 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/30/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 106
HB 173 - Econ Impact Sportfishing - Summary - ADFG - 2007.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/30/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 173
HB 173 - KRSA Sportfishing Overview Slide 19am - Feb 15 Meeting - Transition Team Topics - Sportfishing Guide Service Board.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
SFIN 4/16/2011 10:00:00 AM
HB 173
HB 173 - Sponsor Statement.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 173
HB 173 - Sportfish Program - 2006-2008 Review - ADFG 2009.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 173 - UFA Ltr - Support.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 173 - Version A.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 173-DFG-SFD-02-28-11.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 452 - Program Creation - Enrolled 2004.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 452
H-RES HB 173 Licensing Reauthorization Sport Fish Briefing.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
SB 294 - Extension - Enrolled 2010.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
SB 294
HRES 3.25.11 HB 106 Mayor Itta Testimony.pdf HRES 3/25/2011 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/28/2011 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/30/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 106